Marketing Darwinism: Megan, tell us about Ashby & Gabriel. What is your philosophy and approach?

Megan: The essence of our company is the multifarious world of communications. At the heart of every business, every transaction, every organization, every connection, every innovation is communication. Technology is incredibly important but communications trumps everything. We started the company to test that claim and we’ve been lucky enough to have it borne out with our incredible customers and THEIR success.

Marketing Darwinism: As a marketer myself, communication is next to my heart. But how do we create differentiation via that channel?

Megan: My view of that is what I call “Customer Depth” or what others call “Surrounding the Customer.” In other words, until you know the full context of your customer, and your customer’s customer and so on, you cannot craft a communications strategy that both works and is differentiated. Deep knowledge matters but it shouldn’t be taken to suggest that you need a long process to acquire the knowledge. The first great act of a marketer is listening to understand. Once you understand, you can build a playbook and execute.

Marketing Darwinism:For a small firm, you have an incredible array of customers. Tell us more about that please.

Megan: Our roots were with non-profit and conservation-related organizations. That came out of my passion for the natural world and for preserving it for generations hence. We realized that just as non-profits have clear missions, there are for-profit companies that do too. We have been able to nucleate business with some incredible companies- in technology, real estate, and other areas that all are based on some version of “community” and “connection,” two of our pillars.

Marketing Darwinism: On to more operational questions. How do you deal with all the various tools and innovations in “Modern Marketing?”

Megan: No-one, not even a genius, can know every tool, every technology, every app, and every new-new thing. We try to keep up only because we need to offer the best to our customers, but we also know that being too diffuse creates mediocrity. In addition, the “stop and start” and “bright, shiny object” approach to marketing is bound to fail. So we think we are good at what you call “Modern Marketing” but we also rely on some old-word ideas- like listening, connection, creativity, consistency, and purpose.

Marketing Darwinism: A parting question for you. How do you see agency marketing playing out in 2025 and beyond?

Megan: We are a small agency so can speak only to the opportunities firms like ours have. We’ve seen what we think of as a re-embrace of the agency. It’s not a question simply of having more people on your “virtual team,” but also of working with folks that aren’t in the same structure as you are, to get a fresh view of strategy and a fresh way to execute. We are lucky to get more queries than we can handle. So I think agencies are in a great place going into 2025.

At a recent conference run by WPP, I had the unexpected opportunity to lead a discussion on fusion and its relationship to marketing. A strange topic, perhaps, but the discussion was fertile and enlightening. I must thank those in the audience- thank them profusely- for their intelligence, awareness, and curiosity. A few years ago, such a discussion in such a venue would have been impossible. It is therefore encouraging to see fusion make the grade as a topic of interest even at a conference focused on other things.

As we framed the subject, fusion and marketing intersect in four crucial ways-

1. Creating interest for investment.
2. Generating palatability amongst the populace for fusion at scale.
3. Reducing fusion marketing hype.
4. Developing a digestible category and naming conventions for the industry.

A small note on each-

Investor interest– in the absence of a sensible-if-dreamy narrative about what a world of abundant, clean energy could look like, no investors would be interested in funding fusion research, development, and operations. To maintain interest, even through troughs, fusion firms must continue to communicate and frame their excitement. That is the role of marketers.

Palatability– research has indicated that fusion-at-scale will not be popular because of the overhang of negative “nuclear energy” stories in the past- like Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and Fukushima. In addition, there is very little awareness of fusion’s “lack of” waste as compared to fission’s.  Lastly, there is the conflation of the horrors of nuclear weapons and civilian nuclear power generation. Fusioneers and fusion marketers must collectively launch an education campaign to help allay the fears about anything “nuclear.”

Less hype-There is a fine line between the sort of hype necessary to generate investor and customer interest and the sort of hype that creates a cycle of over-promise/under-deliver that leads to a jaded view of the industry. Already, fusion investors are asking about past declarations that have been unmet.

Category creation– This is the most challenging of the marketing challenges for fusion. For people to latch on and analyze an organization, they need to place it in a category; that is how the human brain works- creating a metaphor that is generalizable to a recognized entity. Put simply, fusion marketers must collectively determine what category will resonate with most with customers, partners, the public, and investors.

As we go down the path, in an accelerated fashion, to Commercially Viable Fusion (CVF), the role of marketing is real. Too much marketing and too much false PR does not help but the right balance will help propel the industry towards its task, which is nothing less than giving the world abundant, clean energy.

On Tuesday night this week my team received a well earned Marketing Excellence award from ITSMA – it was a Gold award for Strengthening Executive Engagement! This was for a program that Emily Curley on the team came up with called ‘Meet the Bankers’. The idea was to promote a roster of former bankers to senior executives to meet with. These “bankers” had been in their role but now work for Red Hat. Not a sales call but more of a peer to peer call about their day to day challenges. The idea worked so well it beat our expectations for almost 2 years! Congratulations to the amazing team of Emily Curley, Kelly Gutierrez, Julie Gacnik, Laney Badulis as well as 30 Red Hat Bankers.

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Strengthening Executive Engagement – Gold Wunner 2023

ITSMA Lifetime Achievement Award – Most Individual Impact – 2022

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Strengthening and Differentiating the Brand – Finalist 2022

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Enabling Sales for New Growth Opportunities – Diamond Winner 2017

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Agile Marketing – Diamond Winner 2016

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Driving Revenue with Thought Leadership – Gold Winner 2015

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Enabling Sales – Gold Winner 2010

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Predictive Data Modeling to Enable Sales – Finalist 2009

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Targeted Demand Generation – Finalist 2008

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Sharpening Competitive Brand Differentiation – Finalist 2007

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Sharpening Competitive Differentiation – Finalist 2006

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Generating New Demand – Gold Winner 2005

On Tuesday night this week I received a totally unexpected award from ITSMA – it was their 25th anniversary and they were awarding companies and individuals who have had the most impact over the year. Honestly, I should be awarding them for having the most impact on me! If I wasn’t entering an award I was also (heads up) a judge. I learned just as much from judging as I did by entering. Spoiler alert: I’ll be entering the awards next year for sure so don’t count me out just yet!

ITSMA Lifetime Achievement Award – Most Individual Impact – 2022

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award –  Strengthening and Differentiating the Brand – Finalist 2022

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Enabling Sales for New Growth Opportunities  – Diamond Award Winner 2017

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award –  Agile Marketing – Diamond Winner 2016

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award –  Driving Revenue with Thought Leadership – Gold Winner 2015

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award –  Enabling Sales – Gold Winner 2010

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Predictive Data Modeling to Enable Sales – Finalist 2009

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Targeted Demand Generation – Finalist 2008

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Sharpening Competitive Brand Differentiation – Finalist 2007

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Sharpening Competitive Differentiation – Finalist 2006

ITSMA Marketing Excellence Award – Generating New Demand – Gold Winner 2005

Technology Marketing executive and investor Romi Mahajan has joined PropTech Platform HouseAmp as its first Chief Marketing Officer. His responsibilities will be building a world-class brand, generating demand for HouseAmp’s products and services, and building a scalable marketing infrastructure and team. Previous to HouseAmp, Mahajan spent nine years at Microsoft and has been CMO of 6 different companies, including most recently leading PropTech AI play Quantarium.

“We are ecstatic to have Romi join HouseAmp as part of our Leadership Team, “says Rick Hennessey, HouseAmp CEO and Co-Founder. “He brings enormous creative chops and a successful track record to lead our marketing efforts,” he adds

HouseAmp is an innovative platform designed to align the needs of Homeowners, Service Pros, Brokers, and Agents. The US residential real estate market is the country’s largest asset class- with $40 trillion of aggregate value. American homeowners have $22 trillion of equity in their homes but up to 75% of them cannot easily, securely, and cost-effectively access this equity. Millions of homeowners can substantially raise the value of their homes via refurbishments that they do not have the cash to do. HouseAmp’s “Pay Later Platform” allows homeowners to easily access the liquidity needed to make these changes, while having to provide no money upfront, opening a new vista of possibilities for house-rich Americans.

“PropTech as a space is booming and HouseAmp’s offerings stand-out as not only powerful in the marketplace but also aligned with the notion that families’ houses are often their largest investments and the ability to both access and grow equity is a life-changer for the vast swath of US homeowners,” says Mahajan.

HouseAmp is based in Seattle and has team members distributed throughout the United States. Backed by serial entrepreneurs with a superb record of exits, the company will be tripling headcount in 2022 as it embarks on hyper-growth.

Marketing Darwinism caught up with Marketing Executive Todd Wells, CMO of award-winning Acumatica

Marketing Darwinism: Acumatica- the leader in Cloud ERP.  What is the value proposition of the company and what explains the torrid growth pace?

Todd W: Acumatica does indeed continue to grow at a very substantial pace – and it’s great to see how the product and the value proposition resonates so well with our prospects and customers.  The value prop is centered on three basic promises: superior technology, high value, and unflagging support. That is essentially what we provide to all members of the Acumatica ecosystem, from worldwide OEMs and regional VARs to ISVs, developers, and of course customers. We truly believe it’s our duty and obligation to ensure the success of all those who place their trust in Acumatica.

Marketing Darwinism:  Todd, you were a marketing and data leader at Microsoft and then transitioned to a much smaller company.  As a Marketer, how do you unlearn the “access” to massive budgets and teams and find a more guerrilla footing?

Todd W: I tend to think about it less as unlearning and more about bringing all of my varied experience to bear on the work – whether that is the experience with scale or even in different industries prior.  The scale was certainly different from when I left Microsoft to when I started at Acumatica, but I think that we are now scaling so quickly that much of the work is similar to what I did before with large, global teams.  Meanwhile, of course, you just have to roll up your sleeves and do the work rather than delegate it. Massive budgets often mean you have to get more people involved, and that doesn’t necessarily lead to a better result.

Marketing Darwinism:  Acumatica’s marketing is top-notch and ubiquitous.  How do you approach the marketing mix?

Todd W:  Marketing is directly responsible for a substantive portion of our licensing wins on a quarterly basis – and so no question that our demand generation is focused on those vehicles that are quantitatively proven to drive pipeline – and we continue to dynamically invest and optimize across the entire mix.  But given that we are a challenger in the ERP space – we do have other complementary objectives such as brand awareness – and you will see our presence in airports and other vehicles – even including highly targeted television ads.

Marketing Darwinism: I see that Acumatica Summit is a core piece of your outreach strategy.  What does the Summit/Physical Event offer you that other, “virtual” means cannot?

Todd W:  I do believe that the Summit is an extremely strong community event and one that will continue into the foreseeable future. The way our attendees come together with real enthusiasm is hard to duplicate, it can’t be livestreamed. Virtual events and webinars are certainly a critical component of our marketing mix – and have grown substantially in importance during COVID and quarantine – but yes, as you say, the Acumatica Summit is the seminal event for us and our customers, partners, and industry analysts.  We invest a lot of time and effort to ensure that it is motivating, engaging and informative for all attendees – and we just recently concluded our 2021 Summit at the Wynn Las Vegas – with over 2,500 attendees and record satisfaction levels.

Marketing Darwinism:  Acumatica’s growth one can argue is partner-led.  What are the challenges and opportunities of being a CMO on a channel enablement scenario versus a direct-to-customer scenario?

Todd W:  Acumatica is entirely dedicated to our partner channel – and I like to think about partners as a marketing flywheel driving awareness and demand generation beyond what we can do ourselves.  A critical focus of my team is our partner marketing enablement capabilities through which we can go to market through and with our vast partner ecosystem. A direct-to-customer scenario is certainly more traditional, but leveraging the channel and all of its breadth and expertise can be a very powerful combination.

Marketing Darwinism: What is your advice for young marketers today?  In the tech industry and others?

Todd W: I think that there has probably never been a better time to be in Marketing – the ever changing and progressing capabilities across marketing technologies, the changing dynamics of our lives across work and our personal, etc.  Companies are more and more realizing how critical Marketing is to deliver on business objectives – and we are witnessing a resurgence in the prominence of the role.  There is so much to learn and understand across digital marketing, analytics, customer experience, creative etc these days – my advice is simply to learn as much across as many of these aspects as possible and to be open to any new opportunities to learn – the strongest marketers I work with have a broad spectrum of experiences and knowledge and are able to leverage it to deliver results.

Marketing Darwinism had the Opportunity to Meet Up with Jeremy McCarty, Co-Founder and CEO of Valligent Technologies.

Marketing Darwinism: Jeremy, the Real Estate Technology/PropTech space is, simply put, “on fire” as of the last few years.  Can you comment on this and on Valligent’s place in the mix?

Jeremy: Indeed, Real Estate as a sector and RE Tech specifically are buoyant and exciting.  It is important to remember that residential real estate is the largest “industry” in the country. US homes in aggregate are worth upwards of $35 Trillion collectively and this year almost 7 Million houses will be bought and sold.  The application of technology to this space is key to its future and we’re fortunate at Valligent Technologies to be at the heart of this.  While our valuation an appraisal business has been healthy for years, we saw huge potential in virtual appraisals and low-touch valuations and skated to where that puck was going.  We now have the most innovative virtual appraisal offering in the industry and the regulatory environment has made massive scale possible in this space.  All in all, we don’t feel like we have a ring-side seat; instead we feel like we are on the field playing the game!

Marketing Darwinism: Tell us more about the changes you see in the space?

Jeremy: There are so many changes, manifesting daily.  Some of these changes are “disruptive” and others are just natural extensions or evolutions of what existed.  On the former side, take the notion of house appraisals.  House appraisals are very much about the verification of valuation.  In the home buying process- still a lengthy procedure—the valuation of the house is the centerpiece.  From what loan you get all the way to the cost of insurance, the valuation pops up a dozen times at least in the process.  Now imagine being able to get an accurate valuation with technology, in less than an hour.  No long waits for appraisers and white-knuckling the results.  No costly and repetitive services to be subjected to.  Now, imagine further.  Of the circa 7M houses that will sell this year, 40% of so are eligible for waivers on the standard appraisal.  Enter virtual appraisals.  Such speed and scale are a sea-change in what is otherwise a slow moving industry.

Marketing Darwinism: We see a lot of VC, PE, SPAC, and other investment dollars going into this space.  Is there a bubble here?

Jeremy: As in all spaces, this one will have winners and losers.  There is a certain amount of rhetoric and exaggeration in the space, especially with regard to “dressing up” old business models with new “language.”  We see technology buzzwords abounding but when it comes down to it, many companies still rely on analog and traditional methods to transact.  We understood this and have partnered with leading technology players like Quantarium and have developed cutting-edge tech capacity of our own.  So, yes, there are bubble aspects but in reality we are just beginning to see this industry transformed by the combination of technology, regulatory change, innovation in business process, and highly capable and educated consumers.

Marketing Darwinism: Tell us about your Marketing work?  After all, we do care a LOT about Marketing!

Jeremy: Marketing is key to Valligent’s success.  We are big believers in participating in the industry community and in doing our part to promote the industry as a whole. We have been pleased to receive multiple awards in the space and that notoriety has helped create a flywheel of engagement, advocacy, referral, and growth.  Marketing is and will always be core to our company and we feel very strongly that we back up our messaging with a product and solution platform nonpareil.

Marketing Darwinism: Any parting thoughts?

Jeremy: We continue to be excited about Valligent’s growth in the new world of Real Estate and about the space in general.  We believe that top talent will be drawn to RE Tech and that the addition of smart, driven, and innovative people will help the industry mature into a fully tech-enabled and dynamic part of the economy.  It’s already the biggest part of the economy but we want it to be seen as cutting edge.

Marketing Darwinism met up with Dharmesh Godha of Advaiya to see how the company is progressing and what their next “big bet” is on.

Marketing Darwinism:   Dharmesh, good to chat again.  I know you’ve done a lot with the company over the past several years; give us a refresher on who Advaiya is and what the company stands for.

Dharmesh:  Thanks Paul.  To start with, it’s worth mentioning our tagline here- “Making Technology Work.” While that might sound cliché, we find that the abundance of technology choices and methodologies of implementation actually can conspire to make it difficult for companies to make the optimal bets.  Further, technology by itself doesn’t solve problems, so we work hard to make customers’ technology choices work in their context and in a manner that most befits them. 

We started the company for this reason.  No doubt, along the way, we took some turns, hit a few dead-ends but also found a few amazing areas to focus on.  All companies evolve.  Interestingly, we have come full-circle to a real competency- helping companies digitize in their own contexts and without the orthodoxies often imposed by technology-forward perspectives that don’t recognize that there are multiple paths to success.

So that’s a long way to say that we stand for driving our customers’ growth and success in their own image not in some “perfect state.” We have found that that state doesn’t exist!

Marketing Darwinism: This sounds like “Digital Transformation”.  Is that what you focus on?

Dharmesh: Yes and no.  DT is an amazing phrase but it has come to mean too many things at once.  We look at things in a forward-yet-practical way- start with a particular need a company has- a baby step- and get it right- technically, culturally, and contextually.  Then help the company use success in that one area or workload to change other area, processes, and workloads.  So yes it is transforming companies with digital technologies but it’s not about a “DT” button you can press and voila! -things work. 

Marketing Darwinism: You work with some amazingly successful, big names.  Does that create pressure on the company?

Dharmesh: We work with the largest of the large tech companies and with startups.  We are drawn to challenges and patterns where we can honestly add value.  We also work with a variety of organizations in what are called “traditional” industries.  That’s where most of the work done is and where most people in the country are employed.  We learn amazing things from manufacturing and services companies daily and can then apply these learnings to other companies looking to evolve and hone their offerings.  Yes, the “ways” of large companies can create pressure but we thrive in the cauldron and love every minute of it.

Marketing Darwinism: What are your big bets for 2019 and 2020? What are you most excited about?

Dharmesh: We are incredibly excited about helping companies find new life with the proper use of the amazing Business Applications and Analytics packages  available in the market today.   It was unheard of, even a few years ago, to be able to run complex infrastructure with complex tasks in an agile manner without pitting IT and Business against each other.  We thrive on building internal bridges in our customers and watching them do amazing things.  So, I can say that our big bet for the next 18 month is Business Apps.and Analytics  We also have invested heavily in our “Managed Services” business which is growing rapidly and allowing us to really feel “as one” with many of our customers.

Marketing Darwinism:   We’d be remiss if we didn’t talk about Marketing.  Two prongs here- what are you doing to help your customers market and how are you using marketing to gain traction?

Dharmesh: Great questions.  We continue to do a lot of work in what we call TMAAS- Technical Marketing-As-A-Service.  We believe that Enterprise technology has to be talked about in a narrative manner that connects value to all aspects of purchase, implementation and tweaking.  We also believe that Brand building and Sales Enablement are connected and we offer that perspective to our customers.

In terms of our own efforts, we gain a lot from events, 1: few executive conclaves, and work of mouth marketing.  Though we are small, we spend considerably in those areas and have been lucky to realize success there.  Increasingly, we co-market with our customers and this also has yielded fruit.

Marketing Darwinism:   Any parting thoughts?

Dharmesh: Thanks so much Paul. We want believe that global delivery models aligned to real value conversations are the keys to success.  We hope to double our size in the next 18 months and are very thankful to our customers, partners, and well-wishers for all their support.

Marketing Darwinism caught up with Kathy Visser-May, CMO of Acumatica, the world’s fastest growing Cloud ERP company. Kathy is a celebrated Marketer with experience traversing technology giants like Microsoft and PeopleSoft/Oracle and hyper-growth companies like Acumatica. Recently, she was named a CRN 2018 Woman in the Channel.

MD: Kathy, tell us a bit about Acumatica. We hear about the torrid growth. Any color you can add?

Kathy: Thanks Paul. Acumatica is focused on helping mid-size companies transform their business with a modern system that grows as they grow. The most forward-thinking companies are disrupting themselves to ensure they continue to be the architects of their future. This trend is affecting all industries, it doesn’t matter if you build buildings, manufacture auto parts, sell shoes online; disruption is happening, requiring companies to change how they operate and provide value to customers. As a result, the requirements of a mid market business to be competitive today are as complex as large enterprises were 10 years ago.

We have built a flexible, powerful, and secure platform that offers them speed and scale and connects their business in an end-to-end way. The growth is testament to the quality of the product and our unique licensing and deployment models that enable customers to scale as their business grows.

MD: You emphasize the Channel a great deal at Acumatica. Is it true that you are a 100%- Through-Channel company?

Kathy: For us, the Channel is our lifeblood. These amazing companies sell to and service customers with a deep understanding of their business needs across many industries and geographies. I like to say we don’t compete with our channel, we feed it. My team spends 50%+ of our resources and marketing dollars on creating high quality sales leads for our partners. Partners tell me all the time one of the reasons, in addition to our modern, cloud solution, they love selling Acumatica is because of our commitment to this model. We provide the Channel not only with technical knowledge but sales and implementation support as well. Such harmony is unheard of typically. So, yes, we are 100% Channel.

MD: You mentioned Digital Transformation. What does this mean specifically in the Acumatica context?

Kathy: We love the phrase Digital Transformation but are also aware of its shortcomings. For many businesses, the phrase implies something arcane and something “other” than what they are doing. But when you inspect the issue, ask the right questions, and find out that these very organizations are migrating to the cloud, digitizing process, and unifying Business and IT, you realize that they are in fact doing Digital Transformation. In our conception, it’s about two things: Operations and Customer Experience. We help Medium-sized companies operate in a manner that allows them to spend their energies engaging with customers and conferring that constantly-improving experience that their rightfully demanding customers ask for. The core concept of the DX journey is that the system at the center of the business must be one that is capable of housing the data needed across the business operations and the ability to provide real-time data and connection across all systems. Systems that house islands of data that have to be synchronized and reconciled are no longer effective in the modern world.

MD: ERP can at times seem “old hat.” What about emerging technologies?

Kathy: There are a few things embedded in this question. For some, the idea of ERP might seem to be yesterday’s news but for growing companies seeking to improve their engagement and experience, ERP can very well be a fresh and new way to approach their business. We are adaptable, flexible, and natively Cloud-based not cumbersome and laborious to implement. Interestingly, emerging technologies, especially AI, are a core pillar of our business. 75% of our resources are technical and we never have and never will stop engineering new products that transform how businesses operate and deliver value to customers.

Marketing Darwinism met up with Tom Taylor, Managing Director of Blueprint Technologies on his recent trip to NYC. Excerpts from the conversation:

MD: Tom, Blueprint has won award after award for phenomenal growth and customer satisfaction. What’s going on?

Tom: Thanks a ton; we are humbled by the recognition. We believe our success can be attributed to a combination of our unique perspective, drive for innovation, laser focus on the customer, and the quality of our team, our customers, and our partners. We’ve been very agile in addressing market and customer needs – we move quickly and have established a solid track record of delivering superior customer value.

MD: Great. You lead Client Development at Blueprint, tell us about your approach and where Marketing fits in.

Tom: Our approach is very execution-oriented. We hire entrepreneurial doers with amazing track records in industry and surround them with top-notch technologists and delivery professionals to amplify their effectiveness. That’s a core part of the collaborative approach we take at Blueprint – Client Development doesn’t end with the team I lead, it runs across the entire company. At Blueprint, “all hands on deck” really means that everyone aligns around customer value, and delivery excellence.

MD: Marketing?

Tom: We’re constantly refining the sophistication of the handshake between Marketing and Client Development, and investing strategically to really accelerate this. Tight integration between Marketing and Client Development is what will continue to drive momentum and support scale as we continue to grow.

MD: What do you see in the Marketplace?

Tom: We’re lucky to be in the Seattle area, which is at the forefront of a good number of key technology trends. Data Science, AI, Machine Learning, Business Process Automation, Cloud Solutions – all of these are top of mind for many of our customers right now. We often find that while the organizations we work with aspire to these higher order capabilities, they have foundational enablers that need to be addressed at the core infrastructure level around cloud migration, data engineering, modern workforce tool sets, etc. One of Blueprint’s key value propositions is our ability to traverse and up-level the entire organizational capabilities stack from core infrastructure up to customer experience optimization – this allows our customers to achieve wholistic digital transformation rather than just incremental single-point solutions.